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Hello everyone.

Please feel free to use this forum, or the chatroom to ask questions, give suggestions, or signal any bugs!

I click "new & old games" -> then on gam #5 "Join as terran" (nothing changes if I join as alien) - > next page asks to "Confirm request to join game"

WHAT the heck have to do to confirm? I can't see no buttons or other! :(

well here i am - just having a look around at the moment.

hopefully i will get into some games soon, best read the rules first though!

Sorry for the first day bugs. We changed a lot of things to get to the "definitive" public version and some big bugs escaped the debugging.

In addition, I simply forgot to copy a few files that were needed to make the site work into the right foder

It would be nice to have an explanatory box like the one for weapons also for shields and other ship component.

Also, a (fantasy) explanation of the acronyms would make easier remembering who's who...

TIA, and... great work!

would it be possible to stabilise the events, radio and ship detail popups while the cursor is on them? currently they dissappear after a few seconds....

1. Is there a full name of ZwZ?? It sounds like it is a temp. one.

2. would there be a shorcut key quick sheet for easy browsing?

3. I found the history features in the Art of War very good. Would it be implement in Zwz too??

P.

1. Starwars: Episode takeAplay
2. Wing Commander: Zero
3. Glass spaceship and Iron Man

From <i>Site history</i>:

<i>2004, November 10. Huge problems from the ISP. Connections to database and ftp don't work very often. This means you won't be able to log in. Hope <b>Aruba</b> fixes everything soon.</i>

Truly takeAplay is YouPlay's son!

doubled asteroid collision damage. now you'd rather be hit by a missile than try to pass through an asteroid, as you should.

1. I think the damage chat disappear so quick.
2. And there is no Weapon Choosing Option.
3. Weapon should have a charging phase. Can't use in every single round.
4. The missle is hard to notice
5. Line of sight is too wide, making the game ended so quick.

= : - )
= ; - )
= : - D
= : o )
> = > : - (
= : - (
= : - ?
= : - p
:-[ = : - [
= l o l
= r o t f l
= : c o o l :
= : e v i l :
8| = 8 |
8( = 8 (

Just in case if Neko miss it

1. AoW question: combat odds are fixed or there's a random factor in combat resolution?
2. System mail: it would be nice to get only mail about games that start or end
3. Like three options: 1. no mail, 2. some mail, 3. all mail
a. Option 2 sends only game start/end and messages in games forums

4. Why in game #18 I lost? Score or luck?
5. it would be nice to differentiate weapons by fire arc: some 0°, some (e.g.) 30°, some 60°

Reporter
imdog

Guys, for the next two weeks I'll be off on hliday, so my presence here will be skippy at best.

Sorry if I'll be blocking games.
CIAO

ivanhawk

HELP! Something wrong in zwz game #32: all buttons are dead, don't get either mouseover or mouseclick...

now you have more power over which system mails you receive: the system will send you mails when



(option) --- mail sent

-------------------------------------

(all,some) --- game start

(all,some) --- game end

(all,some) --- private AoW message

(all) --- new turn run in ZwZ or AoW game

(all) --- got reply to message in forum



to edit your system mails feature, click on "my profile" in the upper left corner.



more options will be made available on request

http://www.takeaplay.net/zwz_browse_game_historical.php?game_id=73&map_at_turn=7

have a feeling that missile should self destruct after a few turns, the map is becoming enormous and the radarmap can't cope. look at game #79.
It's hard to find the fighters or the missiles..

What happens when a high speed ship loses thrust?
Will it drift forever in an ever expanding map? Or will it leave the game at some point?

can i suggest an option where you can exclude missiles from the game in the set up menu. they do seem to be very powerful when there are no asteroids on the board.....

I just introduces spinners into the game. They affect directly the fighter's turn cost:

power spinners (better): cost to turn is ONE (old default value)
light spinners (worse): cost to turn is TWO

This item is obviously as important as the power plant, and complementary to it. I forecast the prices of power spinners will be very high, and you will probably have to choose between:

BIG poweplant, LIGHT spinners (BIG thrust, turn BAD)

SMALL poweplant, POWER spinners (LOW thrust, turn GOOD)

Hope you enjoy it, and hope no new bugs have been introduced

neko

They're not supposed to be there, but the Asteroids do show up on the radar-view.

Hi,
Another reason to retreat: No weapons left.
It's possible to build a missiles only fighter. When the missiles are gone (exploded)the now unarmed fighter becomes a fast moving practice target. Not an interesting game situation..

Could there be some to hit modifiers?
I suggest:
a bonus when the target is in the frontal 30 degrees arc of the firing fighter.
a bonus when the shooter is in the rear 30 deg. arc
a penalty for shooting targets changing course or speed (i.e using thrust)OR a bonus for firing at a steady target i.e not using thrust.

Just a thought..

Could you do minelayers?
A mine field could function like an asteroid except that it is deployed by a fighter. Or think of it as missile with a speed and thrust of "0"
It should take up a weapon slot. Might be handy to block a route through the asteroids or as defence against missiles..

Neko is too busy to start this guide, I just do part of the work. Correct me if anything wrong

[Course Objective]
To build a cost-effective ship

[Things ahead]
30 mins spare time
Account in Takeaplay.net
Fluent in English (at least u need to know what I am writing)
Using two screen to follow what I am saying

[What u expected]
To build a ship that can fly a few turns.

1. Open three windows. One for this guide (A) , two for ship comparison (B&C)

2. In windows B, create any thing u want within 1000.

3. In windows C, follow the step below, don't worry. I will explain every thing I know so far.
a. Hull, propeller_tank, cock_pit, you don't need to worry, coz there is no choice at this moment

***b. Power plant, equvilanet, the Heart of a ship, if pilot is brain. Power Plant is the heart, it is damn critical for a ship. If budget allowed, maximize it, it worth for your every dollar spent.

**c. Power spinner, means how good the ship manuver is, the reaction time. Analogy, for a office lady, she turns and react quite slow(coz less exercise), but for an athelete, you expect he turns very quick. If budet allowed, use the highest standard. A ship with thrust of 6, but with spinner 2 means he need to use 2 mov to make a turn. It is the crucial factor to say whether this ship is a figher or gunner.

**d. Drive, the speed of your ship, need less to say, higher the better.

Well, weapon, shield, armor is just all plain fact.

Spoiler, Warning!! neko will shot me for telling you the secret of building the ship. But As it is so important. I must confess acutally I am the creator of this rules (just kidding, neko do all the maths privately )

Piority
Normal People priority
Defensive: PowerPlant >Drive >Shield,Armor > Weapon> Spinner
Agressive
PowerPlant >Drive > Weapon> Shield,Armor>Spinner
Speeder
PowerPlant >Drive > Spinner >Weapon> Shield,Armor

But Actually, there is only one Winning Piority for the current system (an average fighter) (1 vs 1) (team play is another story, you will have a range of combination. Zwz requires much much higher team work then Blue Max)

PowerPlant >>>Drive, Spinner >>>Weapon,Shield,Armor

PowerPlant is god damn important that you need the highest standard no matter what cost.

Drive and spinner is for your Personal preference.

Weapon, shield and armor actually is not quite important for the following reason.

1. You will have a min. at least. You will have armor, and shield of some class. You can't have a plane with no armor and shield (at least for the basic version, I don't gurantee if it will implement in the 1.023 RC2 version

2. At least you got a Main weapon (missle is exception, it is only a sub-weapon), you can fight. Though there is 3 slot, but you don't need to fill that up.

for a 1 thrust heavy metal(just like a bristol), you won't survived long if u don't get some guards (light fighter )

A light figher/submarine can fight alone, but never a battle ship or carrier. Hope u know wht I mean.

Basic understanding.
1. Avoid 4-hex-weapon, if budget allows, 1 6 hex weapon >> 2 or even 3 4-hex-weapon. Only if you have so much money to spend and slot is allowed, forget it.

2. In choosing weapon, Range >>>>>>>>>>>> Damage. Don't trust the extra damage deal with short distance killer. For a fast-light-6-hex-ranged-fighter. You never have chance to approach it. Imagine it is a snipe or SS III/IV in BlueMax turns, or Mosquito with long range attack in the Nature, An elephant thought to himself that his skin might thick enough to fight agianst an mosquito, but now the needle of mosquito is 10 m long..... You know what I mean.

Okay, stop bs, test it yourself. buddy.

Anyway,

Enjoy flying, no matter in 1917 or 2407

Parker aka imdog




The next question comes to you mind is ... wtf are u talking?

How about options to transfer energy from weapon systems to shields etc. Options to switch off weapons to conserve energy and get a higher trust.
Lasers could for instance have a shorter range with less energy etc. etc.

Look at http://www.takeaplay.net/zwz_browse_game.php?game_id=87.

The missile explosion shows up three times.
I'd expected it to explode only once on my enemy!

If I am the last too move I would prefer to see the result of that move, also if the game ended by this last move or If I was eliminated. Currently the game just disappears.

Also a list of games that ended since my last login would be nice. Not just the list of ALL finished games I've played, but just the games that I didn't see the result of yet.
The list could be shown on the Running games page.

The subject header says it all

And another could there be a...
points score in the game. Based on damage caused perhaps?

Added a ScrollTo function in ZwZ: clicking on a fighter the map is centred on it.

thanks to Hollander for inspiration

Something wrong in zwz game #20: sabelkatten fired at me at distance 7!

test

test

now fighters can retire in the arena: they do so as soon as they exit the second asteroid ring (if they make it alive)

unfortunately, retired fighters will be marked with an explosion until I have a different gif

the fighter sheet, however, will mark the fighter as retired "(ret)"

For some reason I can't submit my turn in game 99. I've never had this problem before, so I don't know how to fix it

OK, this time it's for real.
Don't expect many moves by me for the next week. I'll be enjoying my long-earned holidays!
See y'all when I'm back!
CIAO

ivanhawk

Excuse me for my poor english, i'll try to explain me in the better way i can...

What about the option of weapon position = fire arc?

this is the 60° fire arc |/ . weapon 1 can fire , weapon 2 is | and weapon 3 is /
So you can only fire one weapon at once , but 3 weapons give you a full 60° arc..
And missiles are not count against the number of weapon but you can simply have max 3 of them..

changes have been made to weapons and shields:

1) introduced value 70 shields. very powerful item.
2) shields now regenerate only 1/20 of their value per turn
3) qgp now deal 100% extra damage to shields (was 50%), lb deal 50% extra damage (was 25%)

I know (3) sounds excessive, but I've done a few computations and it seems pretty reasonable.

let's playtest this a bit, more changes to come...

Can the message adressing be changed so that the default is not to send to anyone? I've been close to send confidential info to all players by mistake several times!

As off tomorrow I'm offline for about one week.
So finish the game tonight, kick me or be patient.
Thanks

To Neko,

Current the game system is under a lot of change. I suggest not to change the core too often as its makes player very confusing. Seperate it into two one is the original / other one is beta testing or something else.

Just my two cents

P.

In ZWZ during the ship creation phase, if you use Killer stylesheet (like I do), there is no way to see the link telling to buid an alien craft instead of a humen one...
And by the way: move the smileys here on the right side of the message creation vindiw!
CIAO

ivanhawk

After some complaints & remarks about the fact that weapons were not balanced, and since I knew I had to do it sooner or later anyway, I did a lot of fine tuning of all ZwZ construction components.

Now there's should be a greater variety in fighter construction styles.

And remember: by building better and better fighters the prices will slowly adjust to their optimal values!

In game 135
http://www.takeaplay.net/zwz_browse_game.php?game_id=135

Missile didn't collide with asteroid 12

So far, the system chose which fighter you shot at (if you had more than one in line of sight) by simply taking the nearest one. This is particularly bad if you are using QGP guns.

Now the system evaluates the target's "attack value" (AV) and chooses the best target among the possible ones. The current AV routine does NOT take into account the target's shields, armour or damage already sustained.

The target's characteristics will be taken into account at some time in the future, you will probably have also some control over who you would like to shoot at. Consider e.g. the case in which you could deal a lot of damage to an undamaged fighter, or not so much damage to a badly damaged fighter (with a higher probability of destroying it): you will have some control over whom you should shoot at.

Needless to say, this new feature allows for some drastic changes in the current "advanced mode".

Stay tuned

neko

http://www.takeaplay.net/zwz_browse_game.php?game_id=144

Why my missile is going down?

why didn't i fire

http://www.takeaplay.net/zwz_browse_game.php?game_id=136

I just replaced the size of fighters gifs with a transparency effect. Transparent: end of move.

Do you prefer it like this (and can you see it on your browser?)

neko

Is there any hope that you wil turn and head for centre of map in the future?

For sure, I'm NOT going to run after you, so what? Are you aiming for an overflow or what? :)

I'm waiting for you in asteroids fields, hope to see you soon there. Please let me know if there is something (apart from chasing) that I can do to ease your comeback.

just as title, as I have games hold more than 23 days already. :)

I AoW game #19, I'm waiting for replies from other players before moving.

Halas, all other players must be on holiday, or waiting like me, so <b>nobody</b> moved in the last 24+ hours.

Is there a way to override that rule in such peculiar cases?

TIA, and compliments, go on, etc etc etc ;)

I think this could work with much shorter automove times, something in the range of 7-15 days. There would have to be a priority list:

----

(i) complete BOOKED position

(ii) move in "high priority" games (>24h ones, automoving ones)

(iii) exit "holiday mode".

(iv) move in "average priority" games; join/create games

(v) move in "low priority" games (those in which you have chosen the "at deadline" tag). The "at deadline" tag would be an option for AoW to submit a move but give permission to the system to run the game only after the deadline has expired, without entering automove mode. This is for when you are waiting for replies but want to be able to join new games.

(vi) enter "holiday" mode (prevents automove)

----

You can only take one of the above actions if you have no higher-priority actions due (no smaller numbers due). A few examples

(a) if you have joined a ZwZ game but not built your fighter yet, you cannot do anything (BOOK position).

(b) You cannot join/create games if you have "high priority" games in your list. This is already operative.

(c) you can enter "holiday mode" only if you have moved in all of your games (that is, you cannot go on holiday if you have an "at deadline" tag). While on holiday mode, you can move only in "high priority" games: that is, no "normal" game activity; in addition, you will not be able to join/create games (this is to prevent abuse of holiday mode). To "exit holiday mode" you will have to move in all of the "high priority" games first (again, to prevent abuse).

Can anyone see room for abuse here? The worst case I can imagine is a systematical use of the "orders at deadline" tag. This could slow the games down to a crawl. But I guess that the other players would then gang up on the abuser and deal with him/her very fast...

opinions?

I am NOT AT ALL convinced of the "at deadline tag".

Take a look at ZWZ game #147 (http://www.takeaplay.net/zwz_browse_game.php?game_id=147)

#401 locks on 5
#571 locks on 6 (both correct, I guess)

Missile #541 (Elvesgod) locks on 1
Why didn't it lock on 3? It was closer too.

http://www.takeaplay.net/zwz_browse_game.php?game_id=147

i can't view full battle logs , because they are too long..

New feature: you can choose your preferred ZwZ hex size by clicking on "My profile", upper-right corner

:)

neko

in game 181 i built a ship with speed -1
it's a bug , 'cause it couldn't be possible to build a negative speed ship

;)

oh..and don't delete the game.. i want to see if i can win :D (and if there are other bugs)

What about different types of missiles?

i propose antimissiles (you fire them , they lock only on missiles , the move before them , but they move only 3 or 4 or maybe turning costs 2 for them..)

and "pushing" missiles.. they do less damage , but on impact they push their target 1 or 2 away..

That's just what it says: the teams start out separated and in formation.

Now that we have flying formations , what about different battleship's classes? So, more points or other weapons/armors options.. so we can do some beautiful campaigns against between space empires ecc ecc..

The missiles-only design turns out to be better than expected sometimes:

http://www.takeaplay.net/zwz_browse_game.php?game_id=182

My fighter had three missiles. Elvesgod's one had 70 shields and 120 armour: I could yield a maximum of 90 damage, so it seemed like I had no way to win. But then I almost destroyed the fighter's thrusters, so Elves went against an asteroid and was destroyed.

It did take a bit of luck, but I think missiles are underestimated these days (looking at the prices, at least!)

I am testing another missiles-only design in the new 5vs5 game

http://www.takeaplay.net/zwz_browse_game.php?game_id=164

we'll see what happens

opinions?

Where the hell is my ship?

in game 194 (a 1 round game)

Turn 1 run on 2005-09-09 15:31:35,that is 13s ago.
fighter 1 (Elvesgod) aims at fighter 2 (sven3012) at distance 2, AV 106, h 11:
ofc 4/70 chance: 50%, dice: 92, damage: 0
ofc 4/70 chance: 50%, dice: 39, damage: 42
ofc 4/70 chance: 50%, dice: 50, damage: 0
fighter 2 (sven3012) aims at fighter 1 (Elvesgod) at distance 2, AV 106, h 1:
ofc 4/70 chance: 50%, dice: 41, damage: 42
ofc 4/70 chance: 50%, dice: 92, damage: 0
ofc 4/70 chance: 50%, dice: 11, damage: 42
fighter 1 (Elvesgod) IMPLODED!!!

Why didn't i hit.. 50% , dice 50....
ofc 4/70 chance: 50%, dice: 50, damage: 0

I've decided to improve a bit the AoW interface. Now if you click on a territory you own, the corresponding field in the form will be highlighted.

Remember that you can use your keyboard to navigate forms!

More features to come...

Why the missile exploded? if you move on the hex border , you don't move in the hex , am i wrong?

http://www.takeaplay.net/zwz_browse_game.php?game_id=217

the game is full, but it didn't started..

Now the page which is inconsistently called "inside page", "running games page" or "active games page" has a variable title telling you how many games you have in which in you hve to move (if any).

Why Qgp150 has max damage 142? :P

I just fixed a bug concerning missiles naming. All running games will be adversely affected, but only in their battle log: essentially, missile ownership is messed up. There's a slim chance of some games being adversely affected (stuck), but I don't think any will.

Please report any serious bug (that is, disregarding old missiles owner names).

http://www.takeaplay.net/sup_browse_game.php?game_id=222

The default message recipient in AOW is "Yourself" and because I'm a moron I keep sending messages to myself. Would it be possible to change the default recipient to "Public"? Besides, that way people's double-dealings might become public on accident. That would be fun.

http://www.takeaplay.net/zwz_browse_game.php?game_id=98

Why didn't i shot ?
Ok , there is an asteroid , but it is out of my firing area..

I can't see the games page.. it's because i created too many games? ç__ç

The deadline for fighter retirement rules implementation is set to

-=# SEPTEMBER, 30th #=-

please make sure your fighters are inside the boundaries or at least have a speed pointing towards the centre of the map by Friday!

I don't like it... i can't have all the stats on the screen (and i have 1024*768) so i must scroll down-up-down-up.. i'm going to suffer of sea-sicknees soon

oh.. and in this page (insert thread) i see the emoticons very down ... the page is splitted in two..
i have IE 6.0 , with win2000 professional..

I will list the new featured in this topic from now on

My Shields are not regenerating

http://www.takeaplay.net/zwz_browse_game.php?game_id=98

http://www.takeaplay.net/zwz_browse_game.php?game_id=300

I didn't fired... so please , write in rules that ships block fire..

I have compleated 97 games , (more than double of neko) and i'm the worst player in stats page ç__ç

Game 331

Turn 19 run on 2005-10-11 12:05:50,that is 47m 38s ago.
Fighter 2 (Elvesgod) collided on asteroid 9, damage -1


My hit points went up by 1 point (40 to 41)...

fighter 1 (teoavo75) IMPLODED!!! 1 killers: Elvesgod (+17 points),
fighter 2 (Elvesgod) IMPLODED!!! 1 killers: teoavo75 (+23 points),
teoavo75: 5.9711794630243 points
Elvesgod: -5.9711794630243 points


Why did i lose points?

Would it be possible to include some basic stats on players, such as total number of wins and percentage of wins?

For example player X has played 20 Zwz games and won 5, played 10 AoW and won 1 and played 5 RPS winning 3, so his stats may say something like:

Player X
P W %
ZwZ 20 5 (25%)
AoW 10 1 (10%)
RPS 5 3 (60%)

A small improvement to AoW interface would be to allow players to scroll the list of countries/moves on the right of the screen, with the map staying where it is...

Sorry Neko! I know you like a challenge!

Every player will always have different views on tactics. This is what makes the game good. It is probably just luck, but as I've climbed to the top of the stats pile, I thought I would share my ideas...

1) I believe in using a full compliment of weapons. We have been blessed with 3 gun pods, so use them. It doesn't matter how strong the ship in front of you is, if it takes a hit from 2 or 3 barrels it will pop!

2) In an Arena game, range is the most important factor. If they've got range 4 and you have range 6, a few spins around the central rock should get you a win...
-ALWAYS have power spinners in an arena, I'll let you argue with that after you've lost some thrust and only have light spinners...

3) In an asteroid field, you can use light spinners and a little extra thrust. There is more space to avoid collisions so tight turns are not so important.
-NEVER fire off missiles amongst an asteroid cluster, or if the opponent is more than about 8 hex away. They'll never reach their target.

4)Heavy armour is more effective than big shields. Armour ranges from 50 to 140, shields have a small absorption range (40% to 70% I think). If you look at the rate the prices increase in the armour and shield lists - shields waste money.

5)A well placed early missile strike works wonders. If you get it right, your opponent loses thrust and armour making him an easier target. After a good missile strike, a light fighter becomes a sitting duck.

6)You don't always have to move/change course...

Feedback welcomed

Sven/Steve

These are only my thoughts and the way I currently play. There are players here who are beating me regularly who may disagree with some of my strategy, so hopefully they will add their thoughts, but generally this seems to be a successful strategy. Please feel free to correct or add to this if you think I may be misleading or inaccurate

1) In any game that starts with 1 territory each - your first aim has to be to spread carefully and quickly. You need protected 3pop territories as soon as possible...

-If you start immediately next to an opponent you can take your pick:
a]Attack him with everything you've got right from the start
or
b]Move to a territory next to yours, but not next to his, with ONE army, then attack him full force next turn whilst starting to spread from the single new territory

Both seem to be equally successful, but choosing c]none of the above, you WILL lose.


2) Intrigue is the key.

a]It is very important to make good alliances as EARLY as possible. If you leave it too late, players will already have allies and objectives and may not respond favourably... There are 2 good reasons for this:

i}It is easier to wage war against 1 opponent, knowing your other borders are secure, than against multiple players on many fronts (hopefully you'd already figured this...)

ii}If you are the weekest nation you will die very quickly without friends, if you are the strongest, everyone will want to cut you back down to size unless you can persuade them to join you...

b]Do not be afraid of changing sides if your alliance is not working. Sometimes it is better to accept it has failed and try to arrange another treaty BEFORE breaking off the old one.

* A note on etiquette: Be careful when doing this - it is often better to provide a few turns notice to the player you are abandoning. An imediate betrayal without warning will have great tactical benefit, but although each war should be separate, you will play the same players again and they will remember any foul play...


3)Try to keep your troops moving even in protected (non frontier) territories, a good supply chain to the right areas will help when things get rough (which they will!).


4) Try to be aware of other players movements. Troop movement in the safe territories of your enemy can sometimes reveal their intentions before they act.


5)Attack!

a]When attacking other territories, there does not seem to be much benefit in attacking from multiple directions. If possible try to build troops before attacks and attack from ONE territory. (In desperate times you may have to just gamble and go with what you have, but it is not ideal).
Don't be afraid to break this rule in certain situations where you feel it will help you. e.g. attacking South Africa from East Africa, Madagascar and Central Africa at the same time, will gather all your troops for an assualt on Argentina the very next turn...

b]Your chances of winning a fight grow the more armies you use up to about 9 to 12 armies - at this point, piling on more troops doesn't seem to have as much benefit. So it would seem that you should use as many armies as you possibly can, but if you have doubts about winning the fight or can be attacked from elsewhere at the same time, aim for 9-12 armies in the assualt leaving a good defence force behind.

See you on the battlefield

Sven/Steve

I would like to hear your opinions:

<b>drawing</b> I personally consider a two-way draw an excellent outcome in a seven-players game! What do you thinh?

<b>surviving</b> do you care about survival? do you consider it an acceptable secondary goal to survive?

<b>sparing</b> do you take it seriously when other players surrender? that is: do you try to spare them if you can?

neko

hope you like it!

I have made the missiles' AI programme public, hoping this will improve your enjoyment of the game (and removing one big advantage I had over all of you, infact >:(). You can find it in the standard rules section.

game 348

fighter 2 (teoavo75) chooses fighter 4 (Sabelkatten) at distance 5. (AV: 0.9)
HMS: +40(skill) -45(MP) +38(roll) = 33: shoots once.
lb 6/100 chance: 30%, dice: 13, miss.


chance 30%, dice 13.. miss?

i think it counted tthe +38(roll) and not the 13

i'm sorry , but i'm really realy stupid and there are things i don't understand...

Turn 16 run on 2005-10-17 10:32:22,that is 21m 56s ago.
Fighter collisions on asteroids:
Missiles: seek and destroy!
Missile 501 (Sabelkatten) failed lock-on. Move: RR.
Fighters shoot
Fighters and missiles: retire, explode, self-destruct, lock-on
Missile 501 out of map bounds with speed directed away from the boundary. SELF-DESTRUCTS!
Missile 501 (Sabelkatten) locks on fighter 3 (Elvesgod) at distance 38.
Rating changes


The missile is locked or is destroyed?

I say: during the first turn, do NOT move and listen to the darn radio.

I say: if the team has a lot of fighters (3-5), let the slower, most heavily armed one stay in the centre of the formation and cover its wings Its pilot will have to decide the formation's moves, the other fighters should try to match his speed and direction.

I say: if the team has some fighters who have a lot of missiles, let them stay in the forward positions and never outrun them, so they can freely let go their missiles

I say: *only* if the enemy team has lots of missiles...

FURBALL MODE ON

neko

Game 413.

One defender isn't listed (Denmark, neutral).

3 troops that should have bounced from an attack advanced into oblivion. That is, they disappeared. There should have been 3 troops left in Italy.

I have just implemented a holiday mode. You can enter holiday mode and be immune from automove for some time. Currently you can be on holiday for up to 45 days, but I might change this.

On November, 10 automove time will be shortened to 15days.

neko

http://www.takeaplay.net/zwz_browse_game.php?game_id=422

Why didn't i shot?

SIGN UP! As soon as I have seven replies we start.

OK. I've decided to treat games 1 to 4 as a trial run and now that I am happy with the format, I will start the league with a new game 1.

Each game will be 7 players, 7 territories, NO intrigue - feel free to chat, but intrigue suggestions and diplomacy will result in NO POINTS for that player.

The first league will run over a total of 7 games with points awarded as follows:

Outright winner = 7 points.

In the unlikely event of a draw, the 7 points will be split between the drawing players (rounding down any difference so as to never exceed the 7 points, i.e. 2 way draw is 3 points each)

Any remaining survivors will be allocated 1 point for their valiant efforts.

If you die, you get nothing.

I will then update the table after each game finishes and publish the league table before starting a new game straight after.

At the end of the tournament the top 3 players will be ranked by me as:

3rd = Count
2nd = Duke
1st = King

If there is a tie for any of these titles, there will be a play off game on a Tiny Europe map, no intrigue, helpless neutrals.

If the tournament is popular and continues, then 3 tournament wins = EMPEROR.

Disclaimer:
I will never remove your rank, once you have it, it's yours for life.
I am Judge. As such I am already Emperor, any player reaching Emperor status can question my decisions, otherwise, my decision is final and no debate will be entered into.

I am lined up but hte battle log doesn't show a shot for me...
In chat it said that you were looking into it..

I only saw elvesgod's no shot for me...

I am waiting for your decision to processed in game 429

Thanks

Wispy

Neko: Some of the emoticons in AoW are not working properly - "make peace not war"...

[BOLD]Complete rules[/BOLD]

-Each game will be 7 players, 7 territories, NO intrigue.
The league will run over a total of 7 games with points awarded as follows:

-Outright winner = 7 points.

-In the event of a draw, the 7 points will be split between the drawing players (rounding down any difference so as to never exceed the 7 points, i.e. 2 way draw is 3 points each)
Any remaining survivors will be allocated 1 point for their valiant efforts.

-If you die, you get nothing.

-No Intrigue

-Feel free to chat, but intrigue suggestions and diplomacy will result in NO POINTS for that player. Any tactical discussion at all on the game chat board = NIL POINTS for that person even if that person wins...

-If it is repeated or blatant, then I may even award their points to the victim of their plotting

If there are 7 consecutive turns with no breakthrough (no new territories won), a draw will be declared for all surviving players...

I will then update the table after each game finishes and publish the league table before starting a new game straight after.

At the end of the tournament the top 3 players will be ranked by me as:

3rd = Count
2nd = Duke
1st = King

If there is a tie for any of these titles, there will be a play off game on a Tiny Europe map, no intrigue, helpless neutrals.

If the tournament is popular and continues, then 3 tournament wins = EMPEROR.

Disclaimer:
I will never remove your rank, once you have it, it's yours for life.
I am Judge. As such I am already Emperor, any player reaching Emperor status can question my decisions, otherwise, my decision is final and no debate will be entered into.

http://www.takeaplay.net/sup_browse_game.php?game_id=443

Only 2 players remain, both have proposed a draw, yet the game continues...

<b>New Art of War Interface!</b>

Now arrows display each of your territories' orders. The arrows are still not as nice as they could possibly be, and they are too small at times: this will be improved soon.

The next step is: arrows displaying the last turn's orders!

<b>Void patrol interface cleanup</b>

Some performance improvements in the Void Patrol game page these days. In addition, now the actual trajectory (the grey arrow) is displayed a bit more exactly (previously it was very slightly off-course). More to come in the next days, but mostly performance (page weight) improvements.

The AOW interface, now is teriffic. When I use FireFox I can play more on this now!!

P.

Hi neko! I noticed that there are many places were it appeares the name ZwZ instead of VP So i decided to start my first topic to bother you!
Teo

hi all, for a few days I shall have little internet access. I might have the time to make a few moves though, and see how the site works on a 56k.

I hope everything runs smoothly, as it should.

bye,

neko

Two questions:

-Will we get the option to set a different ship cost in VP soon? And maybe a team budget?

-The cost of missiles in advanced games seems to be rather extreme... Is the same system used to determine the price for all weapon systems? That will skew the price of missiles as there is only one system of that type, compared to 12 different beam weapons.

In reply to a question from Sabelkatten

More options in VP scenario creation is probably the next step. Currently my work is a hell though, so you won't see anything new on this before a couple of weeks, maybe more.

I'm using the little extra time I have right now to *think* of the possible future developments in VP because the scenario creation interface will settle possibilities and IMpossibilities for some time, so I better think well before doing anything. <i> This means it's an excellent moment right now to make proposals, if you have any. </i>

In particular, I would like to hear your opinions on:
1) Do you like the current advanced rules modifiers on shooting? I'm planning to make them hold in simple and standard rules too.
2) Should I make the straight-line 0/8/150 weapons available in standard rules?

One possibility I'm considering is allegiance (team/alien/anything) rating, analogously to player rating, but with the difference that each culture sees its budget increased/decreased depending on its performance in actual gameplay to balance the different cultures "perfectly". This would also allow for different fighter <b>classes</b> to be always kept balanced; I'm skipping the details right now, but scenario creation would work like this: if a heavy fighter is worth 4 light fighters,

1) You can create a "for stats" game with 1 heavy and 4 light fighters (or 1light+1heavy vs and 5 light...).

2) You can create "unblanced" scenarios, but they will not be considered for stats.

3) When you are flying a heavy fighter, you will gain less rating points for killing a light fighter and yield more points for being shot down, to compensate for the odds.

Thank you all for playing on this site!

neko

Any chance the Asteroids will get thier own movement from turn to turn? (Could use the Auto-move 12h feature from the ships) Asteroids could gain or lose momentum from bouncing off other Asteroids and raking up damage from the impacts:
velocity x 10 damage for head-on (reduction to 50% velocity), velocity x 6 damage for 60 degree bounce (reduction to 60% velocity) , velocity x 3 damage for 120 degree bounce (reduction to 70% velocity) and velocity x 1 damage for 180 degree bounce (addition of 10% velocity)

If this was only called after the collision event was detected, there wouldn't be much more memory used computing them. (Except for thier current placement, vector and damage) If you used the "Dust Threshold" in your damage scores, further "collision calls would just result in thier dispersal and removal from the playing field.

Just some ideas...

Game 1 is well under way and we have a couple of deaths already...

http://www.takeaplay.net/sup_browse_game.php?game_id=501

Champace and Ivanhawk have fallen and things are not looking good for Neko or sven.

Helmet-mounted-sights rules (modifiers on to-hit probability related to movement) are now active in all games: simple, standard and advanced.

Have a look at the simple rules for more info.

Is it possible to vary the populations of the various countries in the big AoW map? As it is the medium one...
For example making it proportional(one pop every two nations for example) to the number of bordering nations...
In my opinion this could make the game a little more balanced and less dependant on the starting position...

Neko, is there any way the missile code can be adjusted slightly?

I ask because of the following situation that arrises quite often:

Travelling forward, I fire a missile. I do not change course or use thrusters at all in the following turn. The target is directly ahead of me.

When my missile is fired it appears 1 hex in front of me, travelling 1 hex faster than me... yet it hits me, when I am behind it, travelling in the same direction as it and slower than it... Physically impossible and very very frustrating.

let's

if
this "works"
doesn't it?

There is no point loss when a fighter retires from the arena or from the wrong side of an open map. Shouldn't there be?

We got stats!

Hope you like how they work

Neko, please, can you please throw me out of that game and put Champace in my place.
I forgot (or whatever) to change an order and I killed him,even if we ha an agreement...
CIAO

Is it possible to have the player setting up a game choose maximum limits on fighter design?

So you could set up a game with a maximum price, or a maximum number of guns, or a limit to how much armour?

This is not saying the current system is wrong (No, I love it), but just an idea to add variety, fun and an extra challenge.

Keep up the good work Neko!

Now a player having 67% of the territories is declared the winner immediately.

I think it makes much more sense this way.

neko

Game 2 was a slow moving cautious game, but game 3 came to life with agression from all sides.

First to fall was ChandlerB at the end of only the 2nd turn and by turn 5 sven3012 was looking strong. This soon changed as Teoavo75 fell at the end of turn 5, followed by Neko in turn 8, leaving Mjolnir in a very strong position.

Only Mjolnir knows where it went wrong, but at the end of turn 13 he was gone and Champace looked like walking away with the win. throbmaster had been quietly building his strength and when sven3012 fell in turn 16, throbmaster took another win with Champace grabbing a point for survival.

Placement) Name Played(Won/Drawn/Survived/Died)Points

game 3:

1)throbmaster 1(1/0/0/0) 7
2)Champace 1(0/0/1/0) 1
3)sven3012 1(0/0/0/1) 0
4)Mjolnir 1(0/0/0/1) 0
5)Neko 1(0/0/0/1) 0
6)Teoavo75 1(0/0/0/1) 0
7)ChandlerB 1(0/0/0/1) 0

Current standing, after game 3:


1)throbmaster 3(2/1/0/0) 15
2)Champace 3(0/0/2/1) 2
3)sven3012 3(0/1/0/2) 1
4)Neko 3(0/1/0/2) 1
5)Teoavo75 3(0/1/0/2) 1
6)Emerych 1(0/1/0/0) 1
7)Ivanhawk 2(0/0/0/2) 0
8)Mjolnir 2(0/0/0/2) 0
9)ChandlerB 1 (0/0/0/1) 0

Let the battle continue... (game 4 = 741)




*[If you see any errors in my reporting, or the league tables, please let me know so that I can correct my records]

Ok, i'm here again for a bug...

In game 737 i have thrust 4 , but 3/66 rounds of fuel.. when i try to do 2 turns , i can do the first but i can't do the second turn..
maybe it's because i have 3 fuel , but they are round , not points.. so there's a bug :P

An orange preview arrow lets you see your current (unsubmitted) order.

The system now also checks that you don't try to deliver meaningless orders such as attack with no units, or do not attack with 7 units, which players had to check by themselves so far.

Hope you like this,

neko

In the Ship's Creation Page there is "(not implemented yet)" at the right of fuel... but fuel is already implemented ;)

Now you get to choose from 3 sizes of propeller tanks. These determine your fighter's autonomy.

We're past the halfway mark in the first Brutal league as Game 4 has now finished. I think you'll agree that thanks to Neko and Ivanhawk behaving like old ladies and hitting each other with their handbags this was an entertaining game!

We were only 1 turn away from a 7 way draw as the first territory wasn't taken until the end of turn 7, when Neko died thanks to his fight with Ivanhawk. Sven3012 followed quietly the very next turn and Ivanhawk somehow made it to the end of turn 10.

By now the game was already decided, Teoavo75 held half of the map and when Champace died after turn 11, it was a easy finish for Teoavo75. Mjolnir and Emerych picked up a point each for survival, but with only 1 territory and 1 army at the end, Mjolnir has to count himself lucky to even get that!

Placement) Name Played(Won/Drawn/Survived/Died) Points

Scoring for game 4:

1)Teoavo75 1(1/0/0/0) 7
2)Emerych 1(0/0/1/0) 1
3)Mjolnir 1(0/0/1/0) 1
4)Champace 1(0/0/0/1) 0
5)Ivanhawk 1(0/0/0/1) 0
6)Sven3012 1(0/0/0/1) 0
7)Neko 1(0/0/0/1) 0

Current standing, after game 4:


1)Throbmaster 3(2/1/0/0) 15
2)Teoavo75 4(1/1/0/2) 8
3)Champace 4(0/0/2/2) 2
4)Emerych 2(0/1/1/0) 2
5)Neko 4(0/1/0/3) 1
6)Sven3012 4(0/1/0/3) 1
7)Mjolnir 3(0/0/1/2) 1
8)Ivanhawk 3(0/0/0/3) 0
9)ChandlerB 1 (0/0/0/1) 0

With 3 games to go, you'd have to put your money on Throbmaster or Teoavo to win, Anyone else would need to win ALL 3 remaining games!

Keep fighting! (Game 5 = Game 787)

*[If you see any errors in my reporting, or the league tables, please let me know so that I can correct my records]

Starting from tomorrow, I'll be out of town and probably won't be able to log on regularly till January 11th.
I'll be in holiday mode.
Sorry in advance for the games I'll be blocking and happy hlidays to everyone.
CIAO

ivanhawk

I like Aow Very much!!

(1) Now you have more freedom choosing your allegiance:
- You can use "advanced" fighters in advanced games only (no change).
- You can use "terran" and "alien" fighters in all standard and advanced games.
- You can use "first" fighters in all games: advanced, standard and simple. Do you dare?

(2) The rating system has been simplified a bit. See the stats page for more info.

(3) In addition, the rating system has been changed. Now also the different fighter types are rated, and you will get more or less points, depending on your fighter.

I hope everything is working fine. Let me know any problems

neko

My fighter and Unclesalty's are in the middle of 2 hex.. where am i? ç_ç

Hi, there's a rule I think ought to be clarified:

question:


answer:


This may be a useful tactic sometimes. If you think you know where a fighter will end up, you can be 100% certain that your missile will strike.

As far as I know, this has never happened so far

neko

the "1" doesn't shot the missile in slot 1...

(16:49:41) unclesalty : hey neko. How about a cloaking device that lasts for one move?
(16:50:23) neko : how would it work?
(16:50:37) neko : enemies can't see you or enemies can't target you?
(16:55:34) unclesalty : they cant see you until your next turn
(16:56:06) unclesalty : and it could only be used once
(17:30:49) sven3012 : cool. I like the sound of that...
(17:45:47) neko : yeah it could be nice.
(17:46:04) neko : I'll add it in the proposals list, thanks

Inertial grenades are now available in advanced games. Have a look at the rules page.

in the VP game page a tinysheet now appears for each fighter, the entries are:



weapons are followed by numbers: arc/range/damage or thrust/damage for BM (berserk missiles) or radius/damage for IG (inertial grenades). The arc is 0 for straight-line, 1 for 60-degrees.

e.g.



I think this can help

I have enabled pre-built fighters. You do not need to make any choices with a pre-built fighter: just click & play!

The first pre-built fighter is the arrowhead. It is available in all types of games, from simple up.

With the new Inertia bombs I got an idea for another game type: Bomb the base
At start each side gets one additional spacecraft,that craft has no no thust. just one (or more) lb's with an arc of 360 and a range of 6(?) Armor 80, shields 70.

Destroy the other teams base to win the game.

Is that a good idea?

From Hollander's proposal.

Not for stats.

Two teams.

Shoot the enemy base: stationary fighters with 360 degrees weapons. (Held by neko2 and neko3, default team colours).

If at the end of the game only one base survives, the team owning the base wins.

In advanced mode, now you can use bursts to change your fighter's speed but not its position.

Have a look at the rules, page, near the bottom.

Neko,
I joined game 875 then selected a DIII, I changed my mind and DID not build the fighter.
Went back to running games and logged off. after all after 10min the slot would open again.
On return I found te game still locked I tried to join again and selected the DIII and "build" so as not to block the game. The game remains locked and I can't join.?

Is it a bug?

not a real holiday though. Will have little to no internet access until Friday, 20.

Hope everything works fine.

neko

I will start it as my home page !

May I know who else of u does?

P.

I'm wondering if closed games are permitted - as in I want to start a new game but invite specific friends of mine...Is there any way to do this?
Or is this frowned upon?

in game game 875 , the fighters both shot at range 0

VP game 899.

"Fighter 1 (Sabelkatten) aims at fighter 2 (Elvesgod). Dist: 3. HMS: +4-12 cols. (AV: 64)"

Elvesgod didn't thrust anywhere, and I only turned twice...?

New feature in Void Patrol: piloting skill.

1) Now HMS modifier also applies to damage inflicted. For example, a bonus of 2 colums increases the damage you inflict from 40 to 48.

2) Every pilot has a piloting skill of 1,2,3

3) HMS to-hit modifier is given by:

- your gunnery (currently +3 to +5)
- minus two colums for every hex-side you turn
- minus one column for each hex the target trusts forward but only if the target's piloting skill is 2 or 3.

4) HMS damage modifier is given by:

- your gunnery (currently +3 to +5)
- minus two colums for every hex-side you turn
- minus one column for each hex the target trusts forward but only if the target's piloting skill is 3 (only).

From the chatroom:

(10:21:53) Sabelkatten : One thing: Could you look at a way to surrender AND LEAVE an AoW game? The current surrender option leaves a lot to be desired...
(10:23:42) neko : ok
(10:24:03) neko : I used "surrender" merely as a diplomatic option
(10:24:47) neko : I might add a "give up" option: all your territories become neutral
(10:25:06) neko : I just hope players don't make a bad use of this option
(10:33:24) sven3012 : Maybe if you have chosen surrender, you could be automoved in that game?
(10:49:16) neko : I don't know
(10:50:04) neko : the original purpose of "surrender/propose draw/offer mercy" was to provide a general "diplomatic" dimension to the game
(10:50:47) neko : saying you are proposing a draw, for example, means you are willing to end the fight at a certain condition, otherwise you will fight
(10:51:49) neko : if the global equilibrium changes, I think you are free to change attitude.
(10:52:23) neko : For example, you might say you surrender, but if an enemy who says "offer mercy" is attacking you, you might want to retaliate
(10:53:07) neko : So it's ok with me if you want to add a separate, "give up" button, but I would make it distinct from the "diplomacy" options.
(10:53:38) neko : One last note: the current rating system awards you points for surviving against being eliminated
(10:55:02) neko: this is to give underdogs something to fight for
(10:55:20) neko: so this is one additional reason to leave the "I surrender" option as it is!

Records for single games, and last month's variations!

I have just created a Void Patrol flash tutorial.

You can find it by clicking on "how to play" on the left.

The tutorial was inspired by YouPlay's VampiRing tutorial.

A small script evaluates the probabilities of delivering a certain damage with a given number of units in AoW.

The script just simulates 1000 attacks, and returns the frequencies associated with each outcome.

Disclaimer: the script operates client-side. That is, it is your computer that's carrying out the computations, not takeAplay's computer. So if you get weird results (and you definitely shouldn't...) it's your browser's fault

Neko: Game 921. My ship imploded in turn 2. But how can it be? I move outside the 60 deg fire zone , yet my ship implodes on the starting positon is that a BUG ?

(18:01:05) Sabelkatten: I'm blind! I can't see the difference between the colored and grey dotted arrow in VP!
(18:01:34) Elvesgod: bug in game 934
(18:02:09) Elvesgod: Sabel's missile did 100 damage
(18:02:16) Elvesgod: but it is a 150
(18:04:56) Elvesgod: oh, and mine did 100 damage too
(18:05:17) Elvesgod: oh..and sabel's thrusters are

Hi Neko,

I have read your post, actually I want to start my own site too. From your script, I have several question.

1. Site Hosting configuration.
Are u using dedicated machine or a shared server, is it windows based or Linux based? What is the server configuration? (in brief) and installed software? I am curious of your site functionality :)

2. Programming language.
Which version of PHP r u using and do u have special customization for 'gaming' functionality?
Could u told me more about AJAX? I am very interested of its function (as a demo of the discussion room on the front page)

3. Database.
May I know the DB design for VP and AOW? as I am quite familiar with DB (I had used MySQL, Access 2.0, 97, 2k, 2003, Sybase and SQL before :p) May be I can give u some comment on it.

regards

parker.

p.s. enclosed is the script u with elvesgod. I found it very technical ! I like it


(2:04:00) Elvesgod: i tryed to bring a friend in this site
(2:04:11) Elvesgod: but he has too much online games
(2:06:07) Elvesgod: and we are trying to develop an online game too =_=
(2:09:35) neko: really what game?
(2:10:54) Elvesgod: oh.. i don't know :P
(2:11:07) Elvesgod: we are thinking about it
(2:11:39) Elvesgod: maybe a textual turn based multiplayer game
(2:12:48) neko: a MUD?
(2:13:20) Elvesgod: uhm.. ops, sorry
(2:13:21) neko: I think there are plenty open-source MUD editors available
(2:13:31) neko: or are you starting from scratch?
(2:13:31) Elvesgod: not only textual ;)
(2:13:48) neko: browser-based?
(2:13:49) Elvesgod: a mud is pure text
(2:14:04) Elvesgod: yeah
(2:14:22) neko: Do you guys know some AJAX?
(2:14:44) neko: I'm starting to study something... it would be very useful for a site like these ones
(2:14:55) Elvesgod: AJAX? O_o
(2:15:45) Elvesgod: oh, no
(2:17:25) neko: I also learned of its existence only a couple of days ago
(2:17:43) neko: giacomino first talked to me about it
(2:18:00) neko: there's a fine article on the english wikipedia about it
(2:18:07) Elvesgod: me, 5 minutes ago
(2:18:14) neko: have you ever used gmail on the net?
(2:18:24) neko: that's AJAX
(2:19:11) neko: roughly, it removes the distinction between server-side and client side dynamical web pages
(2:19:48) neko: it's not a programming language in itself, just a set of functions to let javascript interact with the server
(2:20:27) Elvesgod: understand
(2:20:32) neko: this chatroom should have been made in AJAX-style
(2:20:42) neko: but instead it's done with hidden frames
(2:20:59) neko: which makes the code *disgusting*
(2:21:09) neko: are you planning to use PHP or ASP?
(2:24:12) Elvesgod: ASP
(2:24:22) Elvesgod: i don't know if ASP.NET
(2:24:58) Elvesgod: maybe simple ASP and some javascript
(2:25:05) Elvesgod: database MySQL
(2:25:52) neko: I don't know anything about ASP
(2:26:02) neko: of about the difference between ASP and ASP.NET
(2:26:19) neko: (I didn't even know there was a difference)
(2:26:42) neko: why not PHP?
(2:26:45) neko: ^_^
(2:26:49) Elvesgod: there are a lot of differences
(2:27:34) Elvesgod: it's like say 1 is like 100 , only 'cause the both have "1"
(2:28:06) Elvesgod: or like to say i know english :P
(2:28:16) neko: so is it like the difference between javascript and java?
(2:28:31) neko: why? your English sounds fine to me
(2:28:37) Elvesgod: yeah :)
(2:28:47) neko: maybe I don't know enough English to tell the difference
(2:28:55) neko:
(2:28:56) Elvesgod: ehehe
(2:29:05) Elvesgod: i make a lot of errors
(2:29:24) Elvesgod: i go home now
(2:29:31) Elvesgod: bye bye ;)
(2:29:40) neko: bye
(2:29:44) neko: one last thing
(2:30:05) neko: if you're planning to use mySql, be sure you are allowed to use transactions
(2:30:28) neko: takeAplay isn't allowed to (ArubaSucks) and it's a pain in the arse
(2:30:33) Elvesgod: yeah, i know
(2:30:55) Elvesgod: i hate Aruba
(2:31:23) neko: are there any alternatives that you know of
(2:31:33) Elvesgod: but i thought it was an italian server O_o
(2:32:02) Elvesgod: *provider
(2:33:07) neko: nope I think it's Spanish
(2:33:14) neko: or something
(2:34:02) neko:
(2:34:52) Elvesgod: i know aruba.it
(2:35:13) Elvesgod: i had a lot of work problems
(2:36:03) Elvesgod: =_= ma sei romano? =_=
(2:36:11) neko: yes, ".it"... am I stupid?
(2:37:40) Elvesgod: Administrative Contact:
(2:37:52) Elvesgod: Roma, RM 00185
(2:37:58) Elvesgod: =_=
(2:39:05) neko: the webmaster is a transcendent, stateless being
(2:39:30) neko: the webmaster employs some feuerkugel underdogs to interact with the material world
(2:40:10) Elvesgod: i'm going to crash myself on an asteroid =_=
(2:40:15) Elvesgod: bye bye =_=
(2:40:23) neko: why?
(2:40:56) Elvesgod: :P i don't know how to say it in english..
(2:41:24) Elvesgod: but in italian is like.. "sto facendo una fatica boia per parlare con uno , e dopo 2 ore scopro che ÏŸ italiano"
(2:41:28) Elvesgod: ^^'
(2:42:42) neko: we should speak English in the chatroom
(2:42:45) neko: anyway
(2:43:01) neko: but ok, you can speak Italian if you wish...
(2:43:20) Elvesgod: yeah, i know.. but nexttime i can't find the proper word, i use the italian word ;)
(2:43:31) Elvesgod: and now i really have to go
(2:44:20) neko: bye, have a good dinner
(2:44:26) neko: pasta and so on

Now you can create characters in Void Patrol.

When you join a game, you can either join with an ordinary pilot or with a character (you will be prompted to choose fter the game starts).

Characters are created by clicking on "my characters", top-right corner.

Characters start with -1 on gunnery and -1 piloting.

Every kill grants the character an experience point. Every time you are involved in the death of a wingman, you lose one experience point.

Experience points can be used to boost your gunnery and piloting. Current prices:

1 point to go from -1 to +0
2 points to go from +0 to +1
3 points to go from +1 to +2 (gunnery only)

Skill and experience system is temporary. Suggestions are welcome, of course

just a test

neko wrote:

test open tag

VP Game 976. Neko on a "first" fighter, ivanhawk on an "arrowhead". Both unhurt. Head-on at 2 hexed distance. Neko moves forward 3 times, Ivanhawk turns once.



neko's HMS modifier: +4 columns to hit, +4 columns on damage.

ivanhawk's: -2 to hit, +1 on damage.

HMS, right choice of distance (I had short-range weapons), and a bit luck did a big difference here. But HMS was crucial.

http://www.takeaplay.net/sup_browse_game.php?game_id=877

This is a demo game for Art of War, where diplomay plays an important role here. Since I can't read others player's message. I can just explain from my point of view.

Turn 1 White, Green, Red and Pale Blue is attached to each others. It is a very dangerous start . The winner takes all.

What is the most appropriate move here?



P.

(0:07:33) sven3012: Hey Neko
(0:07:55) sven3012: Is it possible that after a game has finished, ALL diplomacy can be seen?

I need some help here guys, a situation has come up that was not anticipated when I put together the rules...

Teoavo has not visited the site for months, so he is still alive, but on automove.

Neko has set his diplomacy to "I surrender" and Emerych has clearly won, but is set to "No Mercy".

If Teoavo wasn't there, then the game would now automatically declare Emerych winner and Neko survived due to number of territories over 66%.

Do we declare the game finished with Teo classed as "dead", Neko "survived" and Emerych "won", or should Neko and Emerych play the game out as usual?

Starting from now, I will be unavailable for about 48 hours.

Bye

(1) when you click on the territory to be attacked, the default number of attacking units is now the maximum (no longer zero).

(2) if you click on the territory you are issuing orders for, you get a "no attack" order.

(3) also fixed a minor bug on the red arrow that would at times display "no attack" when an attack had been ordered.

main characteristics:
_____________________
Terran fighter
weapons: twin OFC 6/100
move: 1/3/4
sturdiness: 233

new AoW rule: players in automove mode now automatically surrender.

now you can use dual thrusters in advanced games.

This essentially means that your fighter has two sets of thrusters, which allow it to move 60 degrees on the right or left.

You need advanced fighters to use these.

Caution: their mechanics is a bit counter-intuitive at first

I am thinking about a new option... each team would have a "wing leader" (call it what you like).

The wing leader's radio message is heard immediately.

What do you think?

Now you can create games with an arbitrary budget.

Such games will be automatically not for stats and not campaign games.

Feel free to experiment. Budgets over 1000 are permissible.

neko

I will be offline for a few days. Hope everything runs smoothly on the site

bye

neko

Characters can now buy a leadership skill, that allows them to send messages that are heard immediately by their wingmen (and enemies, if broadcast).

This is a very powerful skill, and it currently requires 2 experience points.

http://www.takeaplay.net/zwz_browse_game.php?game_id=1209

sabel did only 2 turns, not 4..

oh, and so i'm dead

Hi all

I was thinking... is holiday mode untouchable? Shouldn'it have a limit? For example, after, like, 60 days you enter automove no matter what... see game 998 for example: maybe Throbmaster will never come again to takeaplay and the game is forever stuck because he is in holiday mode... I think this is just wrong.

Let me know what you think about it!

http://www.takeaplay.net/zwz_browse_game.php?game_id=1221


the missile hitted sabel.. i don't think it's correct.

Sorry, but i can't say it in english, so i use italian for neko.

Sabel è chiaramente fuori traiettoria.. lo vedo calcolando la traiettoria che passa dall'impatto 0, ovvero lungo la linea tra l'esagono in cui è sabel e quello sopra..

You will now receive an alert on each turn, with the last radio message received, as soon as the VP page loads.

Hope this helps!

neko

http://www.takeaplay.net/zwz_browse_game.php?game_id=1222


Missile hits me , but it doesn't say the damage (but my hit point went down)

Now, by clicking TWICE on the attacked territory, the order is submitted automatically.

So let me remind you the shortcuts so far:

1) click twice on attacker => no attack
2) click on attacked => attack with all units available at the moment (if you build later, this won't be changed)
3) click a second time on attacked => order submitted
4) click on a territory that does not border on the "focused" one => change focus

More shortcuts to come! Hope this helps!

Neko

http://www.takeaplay.net/zwz_browse_game.php?game_id=1223


no damage for collision

I cannot focus on any territroy in any game!!! Am I the only one?

For starters, I love Voic Patrol just as it is- no additions needed, especially since every addition would only serve to have me blown up more often yet

But since I am a compulsive brainstormer, I had to come up with SOME stuff that might, in theory, be nice to have. YOu'll probably have though of most of it yourself, but, here goes:

Fixed Platforms: I notice that this has been tried- the platforms were stationary objects with 360 cannons, which made them kinda extremely powerful.
But: the idea is too great to just ditch. SO, how's about giving these platforms three powerful 0 degree cannons? It is placed on a hex grid, which means that if the cannons are evenly spread over the hex, you will be able to avoid the station cannons if you fly carefully.

Chaff: Chaff would take up the place of a missile. The only thing it does is attract every active missile within, say, three hexes of it. If a missile hits, the chaff is dispersed as well as the missile, but it only lasts for three (maybe even two?) rounds anyway.

Singularities: black holes? Jump-in points? Anyway, this is a bit of a complicated proposal: If you give one hex gravity (extending to one or two hexes from that point), it would mean that you would have to recalculate the vector of any ship moving through the gravity field. Every hex you move through a gravity field will "pull" you towards the singularity. But you only add these "pull" vectors in the final hex. This way you run a risk of crashing into the singularity, but you can ALSO use it to pick up speed without using thrust (slingshot manoever)

Tracking enhancers: Take the place of a cannon, but do nothing except increase the effectivity of the other cannons.

Remote shield boosters: This "weapon" is triggered when an ally is targeted. It effectively repairs the allies' shield.

Disruption Ripples: Fire off a charge of a disruption ripple, and everything within two hexes- ally, enemy, missile... receives an amount of damage. The device is expended after one use.

Reverse Thrusters: Take the place of a cannon, used up after one charge. Gives 3 thrust in reverse direction. Great if you have to break and break fast :)

Tractor beams: Should the singularity thing be possible, the code for it should be easily modified for tractor beams: Give them, say, 120 degrees, and a range of four. Pull enemy ships towards your ship with it.

Cloaking device: Does not work very well, alas: one charge item, fits in a "cannon slot". Use it, and you are invisible for one round. You can still fire yourself.

Mines: Basically "stationary missiles"

ECM: Works permanently, but takes up LOTS of energy. Only thing it does is make your ship harder to hit (since you interfere with scanners and targeting computers)

Propulsion Jammer: Ships within range x of your ship will automatically lose 1 (maybe even 2?) thrust.

ECCM: Takes up less energy then ECM, but the only thing it does is counter the ECM or Propulsion Jammer of other ships.

But, as I said: this is all "Nice to have", not "necessary to make the game fun", because it already is

Actually in the game setting, there should be an option to restrict starting in adjacent position between players in Big Map. What do u think? Otherwise it is so unfair for some games.

Game 1291, last turn. I was listed as making 4 turns, but I only turned twice. IIRC it's the number of hexsides that count, not thrust points spent. Correct?

Did I win something?

Currently I understand that for AOW, VP, you keep every game data in the DB.

For current system, there is 2 major bottle neck.

1. No. of users, that's require promotion
2. Resources, Bandwidth, Space, Money

For 1st point, in the Gaming industry and my understnading. Currently Online game have mainly 3 models.

Using Email based, dated back to 10 or more years ago. Using email as mainly communication method. As this tech is fading out, no much player in the market

feature, no graphics (or very poor one), usually free,
Pros, If you have email, you can play, no cost.
Cons, Slow, small group of people. no support

Real time, hard core players. WOW, many major players, M$, EA, Sony. Industry market ranged from several billions dollars.

Feature, real time, story line, First Person View,
Pros: fast, Large group of player, client support
Cons, cost you money(and a lot of them), need to download Client, addictive.

Web based games, there is a limited no. of players here, some is for leisure, some is for money. Games ranged from Mahjong, bridge to BM to Settler.

Feature, turn based to real time, limit client support
Pros: slow to fast, small to large group of people, flexible.
Cons: hard to find Business model, turn over rate very quick.

That's really depends on what do u want to do neko :) If you wish a small business for yourself, this site need to jump off, but if you just want a wishy-washy type leisure-time killing activity. Then keep this running.

2. It is the same bottleneck as that in BM, but the good thing is it has at least 2 person (Nick and Roberto) for programming. Gugliandalf and Monkey Hanger for Scenario, and Fineturno for VampRing. Even for a leisure site to grow, you need to recruit people in your team. It is common we like hero, but many people works behind him/her to make it happens :)

Regards

Parker aka imdog

I have decided at last to implement the changes to VP I have been working on in the last weeks. These bring several changes:

1) the rule "levels" have been rearranged. Standard games now include dual thrusters and straight 0/8/150 weapons, but no missiles. Missiles and inertial grenades are reserved for advanced rules.

Soon, a new "experimental" rules level will be added, to test some new game items and mechanics

2) Two new factions have been added: comcon (Commonwealth of Constellations) and imperian. These are available only in advanced games.

Currently, comcon fighters are characterised by power spinners and dual thrusters (!), lasers and lb's, but rather poor defense. Comcon pilots have excellent piloting skills.

Imperian fighters are fast and heavy but not much manoeuvrable. Their preferred weapons are QGP's, OFC's, and lots of missiles. Their pilots have excellent gunnery skills but are usually poor at piloting, relying on their above-average armour and shields.

Because of the changes in standard games, terrans and aliens cannot currently use missiles. In addition, alien fighters are now blessed with cheap dual thrusters.

3) the available weapon slots have been increased to 5. At the same time, the frequency of missiles available in advanced games has been greatly increased (almost doubled). So, if you will leave some times for the prices to settle, you will see much more missiles in the new games.

4) more in general, I have made many subtle changes in the item frequencies, masses and power costs. You should notice a bit greater freedom in choosing different designs. I hope you like this.

VP game 1318... i cannot thrust anymore!!! I can only turn! Did I do something wrong?

A long-requested feature has now been implemented!

Now, when you create a "one starting territory, World map game", the computer tries to assign non-adjacent territories to all players, to have more balanced game.

neko

A new item has been added: rocket clusters. They are one-use weapons.

They hit to range 3 in a 60° arc. They deal 70 damage to everything in their area. They can stop missiles.

They are available for comcon, imperian and advanced fighters.

Different ranges/arcs are on the todo list.

Enjoy,

neko

Hi Neko,

Would escape pods for characters be possible? Is suggest they take up a weapons slot and are " fired " by the pilot who the escapes as if crossing his own sides border.

Timing the escape will be tricky and pilots will die because they hang on "one more" turn.

Alternate: pods give an "x" percentage chance to survive an imploding fighter.
This makes it a random affair.

or could be set to activate on a (player chosen?) percentage of damage. this gives the player some influence on his survival strategy. Cautious players will set this low while rash types go for high percentages.

Any thoughts on this?

4:29:55) neko: you should expect to lose about 1 thrust for every 50 points of armour you have
(4:30:51) neko: so there is no point in buying 160 units of armour if you do not have 2 or 3 extra points of thrust to back it up
(4:31:08) neko:
(4:35:44) Sabelkatten: Well, it worked - sort off. He _did_ kill me this time!
(4:41:13) Hollander: : :
(4:43:28) Hollander: So you're saying with 150 armor you'll need (150/50) + 2 = 5 thrust
(4:48:43) Sabelkatten: I'd say that's about right.
(4:49:34) Sabelkatten: Of course it all depends on how much you plan on turning - I prefer to have (3*spinner)+1 thrust minimum
(4:49:57) Sabelkatten: That is, 4 with power spinner, 7 with light spinners.
(4:52:25) Sabelkatten: I might drop a point of thrust if I have dual thrusters, but that makes very heavy armor - as Neko points out - sort of pointless...
(6:00:43) neko: in fact, there are two reasons why you should spend more on shields than on armour
(6:01:25) neko: (1) shields regenerate,
(6:01:27) neko: and
(6:01:56) neko: (2) the chance of getting a critical is proportional to the damage that passes the shields, so they also protect against criticals

Game 1358: I launched my missile on turn 2, but it's still available to be fired on later turns!

I will be away until Friday. I hope no major bugs pop up!

Hi all. In a game, I pushed accidentaly the INTRO key and the game has processed my turn with no orders (I was stil in dubt on my next moves to do). I propose the software modification to reach that if a player pushes the INTRO key a "Confirm move?" windw popup must appear, in avoid this mistake.
Greetings
Mishima

I think it might be nice to have a "# of starting armies" option for neutral countries in AOW games. Currently the only options are 0 or 5, it could be interesting to vary that (for example, 2 armies would allow a fast-expansion game without allowing the usual 1-army detachments walking across the map with no resistance; while 9 would create a very long game that forces players to seriously consider whether it's worthwhile to attack).

What do you think?

Now you can specify how many players you wish to draw with, in all AoW games.

This should help solve several situations in which one waits to move to be sure nobody enters in a draw s/he was not invited to join.

The game ends in a draw only if

(1) no players says "no mercy", and

(2) no player says "offer mercy", and

(3) no player is requiring a multiple draw for a number of players which is less than the number of drawing candidates.


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Example 1:

imdog proposes a 6-way draw
sven proposes a 5-way draw
Mark proposes a 4-way draw
silverman proposes a 2-way draw

the game does NOT end in a draw, because the number of candidates (4) is greater than the number of drawers required by silverman (2)

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Example 2:

imdog surrenders
sven proposes a 2-way draw
Mark proposes a 2-way draw
silverman proposes a 2-way draw

the game does NOT end in a draw, because the number of candidates (3) is greater than the number of drawers required by silverman, sven and Mark. imdog does not count (2)

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Example 3:

imdog offers mercy
sven proposes a 5-way draw
Mark proposes a 4-way draw
silverman proposes a 3-way draw

the game does NOT end in a draw, because imdog is offering mercy


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Example 4:

imdog surrenders
sven proposes a 5-way draw
Mark proposes a 4-way draw
silverman proposes a 3-way draw

the game does ends in a 3-way draw.

Now, when you join a new VP game, the system looks for the last fighter you built and loads its sheet.

Of course, if you are building a terran fighter, your last terran fighter will be loaded, and so on.

This should speed up the fighter creation process a bit.

Hope this helps,

neko

[u]"There can be only one!"[/u]

This is intended to be a 1v1 knockout tournament:
1st Round: 4x 1v1
Semi-final: 2x 1v1
Final: 1x 1v1

It's easy to accomodate other numbers, but may mean some rounds may not be 1v1...
Hopefully this won't be needed.

Simple rules:
the map:
World map, auto armies, helpless neutrals.
Diplomacy:
Must always read NO MERCY, this guarantees a fight to the death and only one winner:
"There can be only one"
Intrigue:
These games are to test your 1v1 skills in a knockout event, so intrigue doesn't apply - peace treaty in a 1v1 game? You're having a laugh!
If a 3 player game is needed in any round, it will be strictly on a NO INTRIGUE basis.

Rules are not negotiable, any breach results in disqualification, my decision is final...
Remember:
"There can be only one"
Can you be The Highlander?



Currently signed up:
Frax
Neko
mjolnir
Lord Randall
Champace
Emerych

Silverman & Wetrock: Are you in?


Remember:
Sean Connery rules!

"There can be only one!"

Simple rules:
1v1 knockout tournament:
the map:
World map, auto armies, helpless neutrals.
Diplomacy:
Must always read NO MERCY, this guarantees a fight to the death and only one winner:
"There can be only one"
Intrigue:
These games are to test your 1v1 skills in a knockout event, so intrigue doesn't apply - peace treaty in a 1v1 game? You're having a laugh!
If a 3 player game is needed in any round, it will be strictly on a NO INTRIGUE basis.

Rules are not negotiable, any breach results in disqualification, my decision is final...

Players in tournament in rank order:
Sven
Silverman
Lord Randall
Emerych
Frax
Mjolnir
Unrated:
Neko
Champace

The 2 wildcard (unrated) players will play each other, the rest of the draw will be made highest v lowest and so on:

Round 1:
G1)Neko v Champace
G2)Sven v Mjolnir
G3)Silverman v Frax
G4)Lord Randall v Emerych (should be a good one!)

Semis:
A) Winner G1 v Winner G4
B) Winner G2 v Winner G3

Final:
Winner A v Winner B

Let the Games begin!

Please post game numbers and any progress updates here


Remember:
"There can be only one"
Can you be The Highlander?

Just checking the interest for a WP tournament.

The rules will be simple. Two-player teams, arena duels, advanced rules. Every team fights all others. loss: 0 points, draw (everyone dies): 1 point, win: 2 points.

Anyone interested?

I ran across a system for designing java based wargames called "VASSAL". I'm wondering if you guys have used it, and I'm wondering if you have any tips for designing new wargames. If you'd be willing to answer some questions I'd appreciate it, particularly neko, al;though I know he's not the only coder here.

Thanks, Dave/Mjolnir

Neko,
Please look at VP game 1510 turn 3. I'm in the middle hex of a clusterrocket explosion and suffer no damage at all?
Is that a Bug or do I forget something?

Hollander

Neko.

I can't select my plane to give it orders.

Frawol encounters the same problem.

Out.

Elite cockpits

A full 20% of all fighters will now be equipped with elite cockpits. These usually give a further increase in the gunnery skill, with the exception of Imperian fighters, which gain a decent piloting value of 2.

With the exception of the movement items (powerplant, spinners, thrusters, and drives), your cockpit is cuurently the only place to spend some money without making your fighter heavier.

The new cockpits are available at a discount price! Hurry up before they are sold out!



Alien powerplants

Alien powerplants have been slightly reduced in power. This is because alien fighters were performing a little too well with respect to the other fighters.



ComCon cockpits

Now comcon cockpits are gifted with a gmax value of 4. This was granted because of a lower-than-expected performance of comcon fighters, and to comply with the originally-planned comcon characteristics: poor defense compensated for by excellent manoeuvrability.

Coupled with dual thrusters and power spinners, now a very-well-piloted comcon fighter has a nice edge over its enemies.

This is to be contrasted with imperian fighters, which require skill with one-use weapons, and have the most accurate weapons in most circumstances. Good piloting is useless to unnecessary.

The change is retroactive: in all current games, comcon cockpits will have this characteristic improved.

Can rockets have an additional switch for distance? Like position 1, off; position 2, 2 hexes; position 3, 4 hexes.

Here are my 4 fighter designs.

I think that the Not for Stats games still count for the stats..

after game 1533 i losed a lot of points even if it's NfS

I made a character belonging to the wrong race by accident. Could you delete character 99.

Can there been counter measures to use against missles. I was thinking of chaff that prevents all missiles from locking on you for that turn. The second counter measure would be a 360 degree ofc with a range of 2 and 10 damage.

Silverman wrote:


http://www.takeaplay.net/sup_browse_game.php?game_id=1507&map_at_turn=10

Congratulations to Silverman!

It was a very interesting game, in which all the three basic strategies: Blitzkrieg, expand and control were employed.

The game starts out as a double Blitzkrieg, with Emerych in South Africa and Silverman in Australia. Both choose a very aggressive stance, and head right for Chile. Turn 3 sees Emerych conquering Chile thanks to the 50% rule: both players were attacking with the same number of units. Is Emerych heading for a quick win in South America thanks to good luck?

Not really! Silverman outguesses Emerych's attack on Argentina, destroying quite a few armies and conquering Brazil with a single army! On turn 4, Silverman has 6 territories and a populatiuon of 10, Emerych has 4 territories and a population of 6. In addition, both are ignoring Eurasia, where games are usually won or lost.

On turn 5, Emerych keeps on attacking Argentina against all odds, and gets Silverman off-balance! Silverman is heading instead for a quick expansion in Europe and Asia, but sees his own starting territories threatened by a small but fierce force. He tries to get Argentina back on turn 6, but this time Emerych changes tactics and aims at defending Argentina with as little armies as possible, while moving his new units from Australia to Asia.

So the following turns see another swift change in strategy: Silverman is very aggressive in South America, but he is again caught off-guard and loses China to an unpredictable Emerych.

Turn 8 is the classical example in the AoW handbook of the expand vs control strategies: Silverman's armies are scattered all over Europe and Asia, but he hasn't enclosed as many territories as he could possibly have. Emerych's armies are concentrated in a smaller space, and split Silverman's possessions in three, controlling China and central america. If Silverman can resist a few more turns, he will be able to get a huge production of units. But if Emerych's concentrated forces can strike a few decisive blows, Silverman will be crippled and unable to defend a very a long border.

Emerych's forces, however, prove insufficient. He is not able to expand deeper in Europe, and Silverman eventually gets his 31st territory on turn 10.

All in all, silverman was able to turn the loss of Chile into an advantage, by changing strategy at the right moment. I would say that the final lesson is: you should give up Blitzkrieg if it doesn't succeed immediately. I am still uncertain as to which strategy is better, expand or control, in one-starting-territory/helpless scenarios.

hi! I've got a proposal for reinforcing in aow: the problem is that states with different strategic values have the same number of new troops each turn.
let's see china and madagascar, for example, in the case that you control the state and all his neighbor.
madagascar: you totally have 5 troops per turn, enaught for reinforcing sud africa and est africa;
china: you have 11 armies per turn, not so good in reinforcing 8 border states.

so in my opinion reinforces would be better if striclty proportioned to the number of borders of each state.
good night!

I have started running The Triple 8 Challenge in Void Patrol. It is a 3 player VP game with a budget of 888. This is not a lot of money to work with. After each game I will post the winning fighter here.
Anybody can join.

I have just completed a bit of code that will allow you to submit new prebuilt fighters (and me to enter them into the db) with much less work.

I will only need:
(1) the game id in which it was used
(2) the fighter's id in the game (it is on the fighter's sheet in the game page)
(3) a name for the fighter
(4) the fighter's allegiance (terran, alien, comocon or imperian)

All the other info, I will be able to reconstruct it automatically.

Please let me remind you of what designing a prebuilt fighter is not:

(1) It is not a "build the best fighter" competition. Try to make a fighter that could be interesting or funny flying for everyone.

(2) You do not need to build a fighter whose project has a price that is lower, or even near, to 1000&Euro. Game balance is guaranteed by the fact that each prebuilt fighter has its own ELO rating, though see (1).

(3) You do not have to strictly obey the specific allegiance limitations. For example, you can propose a terran fighter with missiles. To do this, just use an "advanced" fighter to make your project, since advanced fighters have access to all equipment. See (1), though.

(4) You must not forget the little "setting" characteriscs that we already have. Try to make prebuilt fighters that are not too different from the typical ones from each allegiance, as explained under "fighter design" on the left. See (3), though.

I guess this is all. Please be bold in submitting new fighters!

neko

Here are 3 new ideas for possible defencive items.

1. Double Hull: Would increase damage needed to kill and reduce the chance of recieving critical damage.

2. Reflective Armor: Would reduce damage from lasers and qgp's.

3. Padders: On time damage absorbers. 5 point generic damage or 10 point specialized damage.

I have a couple of ideas for some new thruster options. If I'm repeating somebody...oh well.

1) Heavy spinners: 1.5 thrust to turn round up.

2) Flip spinners: 2 points to turn 1 hex side and 3 points to turn around.

Neko one of the 8/150 weapons shows a 0.2% 0.9% etc to hit prob in the design screen.

Using WinXP/IE6.0

When I open the game I see both old an next turn moves, but I can't enter any new moves.

Maybe it sounds a bit strange, but I would
welcome something like a single player training area in VP (some asteroids, some free space, a target (AI driven or passive). A place just for training when no partner/player is around.

FINAL STANDINGS: (Win/Draw/Loss/Points):

TEAM A: Sabelkatten + Zarby.. 2/0/1/4

TEAM B: Elvesgod + Frawol...... 2/0/1/4

TEAM C: neko + sven3012........ 2/0/1/4

TEAM D: Champace + Hollander 0/0/3/0

...3 teams tied fot first place.

Who's up for a play-off round?

Sometime in the near future (2-3 days) I will be taking my computer down. I am moving to a new city and starting a new job. My time online will be limited and will be through dial-up.

The result- sometime on Friday morning (GMT -7) I will quit playing games. I will not begin playing again until the middle of next week at the earliest, and when I do play it will be sporadic and slow. It is probable that some, if not many, of my games will go into automove. I'm going to go into holiday mode Thursday night, so hopefully that smoothes the transition.

If this upsets people, I apologize and I hope to be reunited with high-speed and free time in the near future. High speed will probably return before mass amounts of free time since my new career will entail an extremely sharp learning curve.

Ciao, Cheers, Cya, Good Luck, Guten Tag, Bienvenuto

Hope to be back and functional soon.
Dave/Mjolnir

(5:21:04) Zarby: neko: did you change something on the make a new game page?
(5:21:47) Zarby: It doesn't show the full box for making new VP games.
(5:22:40) Zarby: Afternoon frax
(5:25:58) neko: doesn't it?
(5:26:08) neko: what Browser/OS are you using?
(6:13:53) Zarby: now its working again
(6:15:08) Zarby: I don't know what was happening but it was only displaying as far as the AoW box earlier both on my home computer and my work computer I am sitting at now.
(6:15:39) Zarby: But I just checked and it is displaying fine again.
(6:16:32) Zarby: And now its displaying short again.
(6:17:56) Zarby: Both machines are Windows XP
(6:18:27) Zarby: At home I am using AOL at work IE
(6:19:28) Zarby: and just now it displayed correctly again
(6:45:55) WetRock: Is Emerych not even working this week?
(6:45:58) WetRock: :(
(6:56:49) neko: ok, I will have a look when I restart my computer
(6:57:01) neko: I am running now
(7:21:16) frax224:
(7:55:59) neko: back in losedos
(7:56:54) neko: it seems to be working fine on my computer
(7:57:19) neko: was it like the page did not load completely?
(7:57:21) neko: I mean
(7:57:43) neko: did the footer saying "TakeAplay, the Art of War and Space Wing: Void Patrol copyright 2004-2006, all rights reserved" load?
(9:44:26) Zarby: Sorry neko I had to teach
(9:44:57) Zarby: All of the content of the create a new void patrol game loads
(9:45:49) Zarby: but the box cuts off at the same place as the AoW create a new game box.
(9:46:35) Zarby: I can use the tab key reach the credit amount and create game button
(9:46:52) Zarby: they just don't display
(9:48:29) Zarby: I can see half of the comments box.
(9:48:55) Zarby: I hit the New Game link on the left menu to load the page.
(9:49:15) Zarby: I hit the button once and it loaded cut off
(9:49:38) Zarby: I hit the button a second time it displayed properly.
(9:50:49) Zarby: I loaded the page 10 times in a row and it displayed properly 4 times out of 10
(9:51:19) Zarby: spicifically on tries 1, 3, 4, 6
(9:57:07) Zarby: another 10 tries. loaded properly on tries 4, 5 only
(11:05:23) Mark2006: dont know if youve noticed this or not, but game 1524 (AOW) hasnt run a turn for 22 days and its showing everyone ran their turn
(12:53:13) Zarby: Back at home. New game page displaying fine.
(13:05:33) neko: @Zarby: even if it cuts short, you should be able to use an "elevator" to access the extra options
(13:05:46) neko: just like on this Chatbox, for example
(13:07:15) neko: @Mark: turn run. We apologise for the incovenience
(14:13:26) Zarby: @neko: When it cuts off there is no scroll bar.
(14:14:55) Zarby: Sorry about correcting your term elevator with the proper term scroll bar, but I teach a class in which I cover such terms.
(14:16:27) Zarby: I wonder if it was laying the rock, paper, scisors new game bar over it?
(21:52:46) neko: Don't worry for correcting my term, it was somewhere in my brain but alcohol was messing it all up
(21:53:24) neko: I have tried reloading several times on my Explorer/win2k computer and everything seemed ok though
(21:53:34) neko: I will have to try on different computers.
(21:57:31) neko: actually, I am using the CSS "overflow:auto;" property
(21:57:44) neko: I wonder if Explorer has problems with it
(21:59:24) neko: I got it!
(21:59:32) neko: I managed to reproduce it
(21:59:47) neko: thanks, now I have seen what happens
(21:59:56) neko: I will have to figure out why
(22:00:04) neko: thanks a lot !!!
(22:06:10) neko: yes, it is an Internet Explorer bug (as usual > )
(22:06:52) neko:
(22:07:04) neko: I will try to fix it soon
(22:37:09) imdog: what was that bug?

Neko.
Please take a look at game 1654, turn 2 .The system says Sabelkatten aims at hollander.
Should't that be the other way around?

(21:16:00) imdog: hey neko, would u explain once again about claim land and disbandment?
(21:17:35) imdog: After battle, it there is more then one color win a land, who will claim that land? The Troop with the highest no.?
(21:18:19) imdog: After claim land face, if the troop is going to bounced back home, and its land is occupied, he will be disbanded, isn't it?
(23:57:05) neko: If all the defenders in a given territory have been destroyed, the territory gives in and the attacker that used the greatest number of units advances and conquers the territory.
(23:57:26) neko: If the starting territory has been conquered in the meanwhile, the attacking units are disbanded: all the units are lost
(0:01:17) neko: so "correct" to both questions
(0:01:24) neko: in English
(0:01:38) neko: both guesses are correct
(0:01:39) neko:
(4:56:12) imdog: You used to stay that the defender will split the troops, in the past I think it will split evenly (and round down to nearest digit) but the fact is I see something like this
(4:56:58) imdog: Battle: South Africa (4) --> Madagascar (3/10), deals 3 damage, receives 2 damage (claims)
(4:57:13) imdog: Battle: East Africa (8) --> Madagascar (6/10), deals 5 damage, receives 5 damage (claims)
(4:58:18) imdog: NOw it is in ratio, rather then even?

If that is the case, I would consider more seriously in attack next time

Hi neko, can you help to change the email for me? I've sent an email to the webmaster..but no response

Currently if you have better then a 100% chance to hit you get a roll to do double damage. I would rather have the chance to hit minus the roll be an increase to the damage dealt.

example: A qgp 60/100 fired at range 2 with a +3 column. Chance to hit is %104 Damage is 52.

With the current system 52 damage is done unless a 4 or less is rolled in which case the damage is 104.

My suggestion is that is the roll was say 67 then 104-67=37. So the damage would be increased %37 to 71.

I am planning to run a Skirmish Tournament.

The format will be 4 teams of 2 on the sparce map with standard rules. A point system will be used based on damage dealt and condition of fighter after battle.

Since this is a skirmish all battles are over at the 20 turn mark. Any fighter that leaves the battle before turn 11 will be penalized. Any fighter that leaves after turn 10 but before turn 20 will have reduced points.

I am going to hammer out the point system and post it later.

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